With COVID-19 not yet in our rear-view mirror, scientists are emphasising the importance of further studying zoonotic diseases and how we could better prevent and manage future outbreaks. Professor Delia Randolph, a veterinary epidemiologist at the International Livestock Research Institute and lead author of a 2020 UNEP report titled "Preventing the Next Pandemic", talks to our producer Laura Byrne about both the good and the bad science and how especially improved food systems and wildlife and livestock management could greatly limit the chances of a potential outbreak.